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Showing posts with label Are Songs Poetry?. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Are Songs Poetry?. Show all posts

Saturday, 8 October 2022

Are Songs Poetry?

Are songs poetry? That simple question had me reaching for my Big Book Of Greek Lyric Poetry. By the way, it's not actually called that and it's not actually that big either, because not much verse has survived from 2,500 years ago, but I reached for it anyway because I was pretty sure that somewhere in its learned introduction it made the claim that 'in the beginning' poetry and song were one and indivisible. 

And yes, when taken in conjunction with visual depictions in vase paintings and decorative reliefs (see below), plus such accounts as we have about the nature and content of  Ancient Greek festivities, there is probably evidence enough to conclude that in the 7th and 6th centuries BC, in the artistic heart of an emerging civilised world, the simple answer was 'yes', songs were poetry. certainly where lyric poetry was concerned.

Alcaeus and Sappho (aka The Lyres)
Homer aside, in chronological order after Archilochus (about whom you can read a little more in an earlier blog linked here: The Truth Is...). Sappho (630-570 BC) is possibly the most famous of the ancient Greek poets. She and her contemporary Alcaeus (625-580 BC) were writing in Mytilene on the island of Lesbos at the turn of the 6th century BC. Sappho came from an aristocratic family and was well-educated. She was widely regarded as an excellent lyric poet and was sometimes referred to as 'the tenth muse'. She is thought to have composed some 10,000 lines of poetry, most of which is lost to posterity. The longest (though still incomplete) surviving poem of hers was discovered on a roll of papyrus found in Egypt and dating to the 3rd century AD, nearly 800 years after she first composed it, meaning there was either a very good oral tradition, or written versions (also since lost) had existed down the centuries, or both. It is known as Fragment 44 and describes the return of Hector to Troy with his bride-to-be Andromache, and their subsequent wedding.

Like all Greek lyric poetry it had a regular metre and was created to be sung, accompanied by a lyre (hence the adjective 'lyric') or some other musical instruments, and the combination of metre and rhyme, obviously lost in modern translation, would have aided the memorising of the poetry for sung performance.

From Fragment 44
....................................................................to Ilios.
Lyres, melodious shawms, and the clatter of castanets
blended there, and the voices of girls in the holy song;
up to heaven the glorious clamour arose...... Everywhere
in the streets there were bowls full of wine, and cups,
myrrh and cassia, frankincense, fragrances all pell-mell.
And the women of matronly age shouted Eleleu!
while the men singing out in the beautiful steepscale hymn
called on Paeon, the god of the excellent bow and lyre,
praising Hector the prince and Andromache his princess.
                                                                                                          Sappho

We have 160 fragments of her poems in all. In some cases only a few incomplete lines of each composition remain. Although she was married and had a daughter, many of her poems insinuate her love for other women and as a consequence she has indirectly bequeathed the words lesbian and sapphic to the English language. For reasons that are unclear, Sappho was exiled from Lesbos when she was in her thirties, spent the remainder of her life in Sicily and apparently committed suicide over a love affair with a ferryman.

solo Sappho
Moving along, I'm supposing that at some indeterminate point there was a fork in the creative road, with spoken word heading off unaccompanied down one path and song heading off along another, though of course these pathways were never clearly defined and often crossed. Just think of the troubadour's role that stretched through the middle ages into renaissance times and lives on in regional folk traditions.

The highbrow view is that 'poetry' is elevated or refined expression of thought and feeling and that song by contrast is somewhat banal in content, but we know such a generalisation is dangerous and untrue. There has been much banal verse committed to page (though it is not fashionable to deride it as unpoetic), just as there are many songs whose content can truly be called poetic in expression. I am supposing we will all have our favourite practitioners among the latter. Joan Armatrading, Gene Clark, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Gerard Langley, Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison, Patti Smith, Cat Stevens and Dar Williams to name but a handful of mine have all blurred a line by writing 'poetry' as well as 'songs'.

If a conclusion to the ongoing debate is required, mine would be this: it depends how broad or precise one's definition of poetry is as to whether all or just some songs are poetry. I'll leave you with a tantalising fragment of my own. One day I may complete it and set it to music - who knows? 😉

Love Lust & Lyres
................skilful hands and mouths.................................
instruments of love's duet...................... orchestrating in
.........desire to explore the rhythms of our passion..........
taught strings, sought out by knowing fingers, upscaling
in intensity.... reverberating harmonics........... pulse with 
sweetest music plucked..... response in one another.........
.......so finely attuned, rise together to glorious crescendo. 

Thanks for reading, S ;-)

Wednesday, 5 October 2022

Are Songs Poetry?

A Blogpost in Twenty Bob Dylan Albums:

 
1) Whether Bob Dylan is a poet or not we can argue until the trains come home and still be none the wiser. My question to you: Why is ‘Poet’ the benchmark? 

2) The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan roams at his own pace and actively avoids labels, sometimes he’s Poet, singer/songwriter, often The Jokerman, when he can be bothered the Rolling Stone, always the Song and Dance Man. Is it our inability to define that causes-us grief?
 
3) The Times They Are A-Changing goes without saying and so does the borders of literature. Weren’t the Troubadours musicians as well as poets? Isn’t old W.B. singing the Lake of Innisfree in that recording of his?
 
4) Another Side of Bob Dylan is author - he wrote the novel Tarantula and the award-winning Memoir - Chronicles.
 
5) Bringing it All Back Home - Bob Dylan as poetry’s gateway drug. Discuss.
 
6) On Highway 61 in the confines of Desolation Row: Ezra Pound and T.S. Eliot are fighting in the captain’s tower.
 
7) Blonde on Blonde 1966 - when poetry went electric. The derision of the Poet Maudits the push-back from the members in their ivory squares, Walt Whitman and the Newport Convention. If only we thought of it first. If only we had an audience.
 
8) In John Wesley Harding Dylan alludes to the Bible seventy seven-times, but also rhymes Mouse with House.
 
9) Nashville Skyline is at heart a country album. Dylan’s music is steeped in tradition whether blues, folk or country please refer to Tradition and The Individual Talent.
 
10) 1969’s Self-Portrait is a terrible album, and Dylan’s first flop, just another example that God is fallible.
 
11) The day after a Bob Dylan concert is always a New Morning, all the songs he played he changed, reminds me of Derek Mahon.

 
12) Blood on Tracks 1975 - Two of love’s greatest songs in A Simple Twist Of Fate and Tangled-Up In Blue, but whereas in a traditional sonnet, there’s an edge, space and punctuation, in a song you are blind to proportion. A Bob Dylan song often finishes when you least expect it and always goes on for too long. 

13) I have a Desire to treat Dylan’s words as verse. I know I shouldn’t but then again why is Allen Ginsberg standing in the corner? 

14) Music sets the context as well as the tempo. It is the Mercy of the music that eases us into the lyrics, you cannot divorce the two. Why would you? 

15) Good As He’s Been To You - Dylan’s voice has the ability to mangle words into rhymes the reader is unable to, leaving one dizzy and confused. 

16) Like a Slow Train Coming headlong, see him approach the monocle with the Odyssey under his arm: ‘But it’s not literature.’ ‘What is?’ I say. 

17) In the book Visions and Sin by the Infidel Christopher Ricks; Ricks brings Dylan into the academy and deconstructs. I’m grateful it exists but I have to admit, it is akin to listening Dylan live singing Blowing in the Wind. Painful and excruciating to read, makes you pine for the original. 

18) Love and Theft - whether Bobby Zimmerman stole his name from the Welsh Bard is a red herring to get us literary types hyped up over nothing. 

19) You thought the World Gone Wrong when Dylan won the Nobel Prize. 

20) Throw your Norton out the cannon, settle for the Best of Bob Dylan, it might not be literature as we define it but it’s great song-writing nevertheless, and as the lines between mediums continue to blur take pleasure in the words of this pioneer. Who knows you might learn something.

Jamie Field

Tuesday, 4 October 2022

Are Songs Poetry? - Yes


 Are songs poetry?

 That’s a broad question and something that my late friend and poet Christo Heyworth had an ongoing gentle debate with. It was concerning the songs of the Moody Blues, both Christo and I being ‘experts’ on their work. I was ‘yes’ because I find the lyrics to most of their songs poetic, depending on the writer, and all of their albums contain a poem by the late Graeme Edge, drummer and a founder member of the band. Graeme’s poems were performed or recorded as the spoken word set to music and often by Mike Pinder. Graeme’s poems which became actual songs include ‘I’ll Be Level With You’ from the Octave album. I showed Christo my prized copy of one of Graeme’s poetry books. As for songs being poetry, he was a definite ‘no’. I couldn’t persuade him otherwise, but we had some great conversations about it at poetry evenings. We discussed other things too, like the paintings of L.S.Lowry and Christo’s visits to poetry events in Much Wenlock, Shropshire. Christo was always excellent company with lots of interesting topics to share. I wonder what he might have thought of my other poetic song choices.

The lyrics of The Smiths, Morrissey, Oasis, Liam and Noel Gallagher, I can read as poetry. Their creative use of language appeals to me and really makes me listen. Liam’s ‘Paper Crown’ and Morrissey’s ‘Every Day is Like Sunday’ are just two examples of what would be a very long list. I was about sixteen when I first saw Raymond ‘Gilbert’ O’Sullivan on Top of the Pops singing ‘Nothing Rhymed’. There he was, an odd looking bloke with an over-sized cap, sounding a bit like George Formby. He captured my attention with the poetry of his words.

Not all songs can work as poems but poems can work as songs, and I don’t just mean The Song of Hiawatha by Longfellow – I can still recite the part I had to learn by heart in the first year of high school, but I’ll spare you that. I will complain that schools don’t include learning poetry by heart or even reading a whole book, from what I can gather. Anyway, that aside, Robert Burns wrote ballads and sang them, ‘My Love is Like a Red, Red Rose’ and ‘Auld Lang Syne’, two that come to mind.

Radio DJ and musician, Mike Read, wrote music to accompany some of John Betjeman’s poems. Quote from Wikipedia, “…Thirty of these songs were recorded by artists including Cliff Richard, David Essex, Gene Pitney and Marc Almond for the 2006 various artists’ album Words/Music, and subsequently re-released in 2008 as a double CD titled Sound of Poetry. Read’s production of the musical ‘Betjeman’ based on the above has occasionally been staged for charities, including the Royal Marsden Hospital and Children with Leukaemia.”  One of my favourites is David Essex singing Myfanwy.

With an apologetic nod to Christo, though I'm sure he wouldn't mind and would even expect it, I'll finish where I started with the Moody Blues. This time, John Lodge with 'my song', and to me, a poem.

  

One More Time to Live  -  John Lodge

Look out of my window
See the world passing by
See the look in her eye

One more time to live and I have made it mine
Leave the wise to write for they write worldly rhymes

And he who wants to fight begins the end of time...
For I have riches more than these
For I have riches more than these

Desolation
Creation
Tell me someone why there's only confusion
Evolution

Tell me someone that this is all an illusion
Pollution
Tell me someone
Saturation

Tell me someone
Population
Annihilation
Revolution

Tell me someone why this talk of revolution
Confusion
Tell me someone when we're changing evolution
Illusion

Tell me someone
Conclusion
Tell me someone
Starvation

Degradation
Humiliation
Contemplation
Changes in my life

Inspiration
Elation
Changes in my life
Salvation

Changes in my life
Communication
Compassion
Solution

Look out on the hedgerow
As the world rushes by
Hear the birds sign a sigh

One more tree will fall how strong the growing vine
Turn the earth to sand and still permit no crime
How one thought will live provide the others die
For I have riches more than these
For I have riches more than these

(From the album Every Good Boy Deserves Favour, 1971)


Thanks for reading, Pam x